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응답: PJ#070, NO THORNLESS ROSES
PJ 70CHAPTER 3
REC #1 CERES 'ATONN
WED., MAY 26, 1993 7:50 A.M. YEAR 6, DAY 283If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable--what then?
WED, MAY 26, 1993
George OrwellHe who has no inclination to learn more will be very apt to think that he knows enough.
Thomas PowellAnd perhaps more thought provoking of all--the observations of Elizabeth Wright regarding economic weapons and races of people:
"Black leaders and white liberals have kept black Americans so focused on superficial indications of racism, that we overlook the most pernicious and ruinous use of race, that is, as an economic weapon--not just to deter one's employment in companies created by others, but to hamper the ability to create employment for oneself". IMPORTANT!
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As we sit to write on this glorious day in May of your year 1993 and as the swirls of confusion focus on each in a time of inability to have clear thought process--let us do a bit of reminding in the Light of God Truth in what it is we (you) are about here.
You are now flooded with that which is called "virtual reality" in which you can further robotize yourselves--simply plug into an electric outlet with a machine and experience holographic participation in everything from murder to mental masturbation. It is KNOWN by your puppet-masters that only the "thinking" beings will maintain any type of independent thought expression--so where does this leave YOU? It is hard to say for, if you teeter on the edge of giving away your soul expression into the manipulated mental control of those puppet masters, it is of your own doing and IT WILL DESTROY YOUR CIVILIZATION IF NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS TO YOU AS SOCIETIES OF HUMANOIDS.
I am continually amazed and amused at the majority of contact with me which reaches through in the spiritual expansion expecting God or Hosts to stop this or that, intervene with this or that and/or simply protect YOU without any participation on your part other than to go forth and join the crowds in their mind control games. So be it.
CONTACT, THE PAPER AND, JOURNALS, THE BOOKSYes indeed, the PHOENIX JOURNALS are literally, books. But everyone who has participated seems to forget something--they are FIRST of all, a compilation of information first beginning public circulation in 1989. So, we have dated, regularly released journals (logs, reports, information compilations) of material in printed format and REINTRODUCTION to the public of "old" writers and valid scientists, mathematicians and philosophers
--in a compiled lump so that you can have a resource already "thought" about for your information input in the most rapid possible intake resource. WE ARE NOT HERE AS GURUS, WRITERS OF GREAT NOVELS OR BOOKS, BRINGERS OF "NEW" INFORMATION--SIMPLY SENT TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE THAT WHICH YOU NEED TO "SAVE" SELVES IF YOU GET IT TOGETHER--IN SPITE OF THOSE WHO WILL CONTINUALLY EFFORT TO STOP YOU FROM DOING SO.
I have stated from ONSET of our writings that I WOULD GIVE YOU NOTHING WHICH IS NOT ALREADY KNOWN AND PUBLISHED OR SPOKEN OF PUBLICLY IN SOME MANNER--SOMEWHERE! This means, readers, that the information we offer is already given forth--IF YOU FIND IT AND UTILIZE IT. Ones such as Dr. Tesla are all but unknown to the public citizens. Walter Russell is even less KNOWN. How many, if we ran a poll, will have even heard of one Walter Russell until we wrote on the subject--giving
Dr. Russell FULL honor for the scientific output????? Therefore, how could ANYONE say that we have damaged any entity or being or institution by causing ones to attend the subject in point? Further, IF our work has been misrepresented in some way by publishers and/or distributors--that is not my problem! I (we) have NEVER claimed first rights to ANYTHING. Moreover, we have only one COPYRIGHTED work--Sipapu Odyssey by Dorushka Maerd (Dharma), a "fantasy" or "novel".
Mr. Green, who knew all along that this is fact, now states "infringement" on other works and authors? Come now, do you claim this from your daily Times? Is the Waco incident a somehow "copyrightable" story? Are these things truth and already "public" or what are we dealing with here? Did Mr. Green think somehow to make money off our work by misrepresenting our intent? Through Dharma, alone, there have been now 75 JOURNALS. These in some 45 months. That means that there has been a "Journal" published about every 3 weeks or less!! Does this ACTUALLY sound as if we are in competition with great authors for the thieving of their work? Would it not be more likely even in "reason" that we offer resources for all but unknown works--such as Russell's?? You have become a greedy civilization run by thugs, bankers and scum-sucker lawyers!
MOST REMARKABLEIn this very situation under discussion, how is it that we write, Dharma does almost nothing else of human joy and, still, Greens get any and all rewards and demand more and more and more! How can this be? Easy--GREED hidden behind the stated need "to get the WORD out"!
Then this same man comes up with an idea for an Institute, now changes all his claims while another took it and kept it running legally and soundly and now sets forth to destroy it and the ones doing the work therefore INCLUDING all who came (mostly at his representation) to participate.
Now this same man has gone a step deeper into the mud of deceit. He IS NOW SELLING THE UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY (for the very ones suing him [or are they?]) and still riding on the coattails of our own work--while actually misspelling the very word Pleiades in his letters of garbage.
I enjoy the way in which Mr. Green advertises the "new" material he carries for US&P: "....which has all the original thoughts from Germain. If it was good enough for Germain to give to Russell, then it must have validity".
I should also point out here as in reference to "using another's work" and that it would have been fine if credit had been given--THE MAJOR COMPLAINT WAS THAT WE GAVE CREDIT AND THE US&P "...don't want E.T.'s to use any of the material". Well, bad news, US&P--the ONLY material we used is scientific in nature and was already in PUBLIC DOMAIN!!
Worse yet, the letter we shall use herein is directed to a person (as an "old buddy") and uses the WRONG NAME!
PROMISED COVERAGE--WIL GET COVERAGEThe CONTACT editors have promised coverage to Mr. Green and therefore HE WILL GET IT. He claims you readers only get ONE SIDE of the issues and after reading the last barrage of garbage I understand why he would suppose that to be true.
I think, however, that a "sleeping giant" has been roused from her nappy-time and Mr. Green is about to meet his physical counter-dealer. DORIS Ekker is about filled to overflow with these attacks and lies.
IF there is ever allowed hearing, it will be a rude awakening for deceitful persons I can well assure you.
Meanwhile, I continue to remind her that the beast will see to his own destruction. Just in the packets he is again mailing out to the "mailing lists" he gives himself AWAY! Note, all you readers, that he has claimed that America West Distributors is NOT HIS CORPORATION (COMPANY) and yet he advertises his old enemy's books and study course (University of Science and Philosophy) while Dharma is accused in court of CONTEMPT through HIS own actions as being from "America West Distributors, GEORGE GREEN". Goodness, where is the judge who ruled in his favor over the lies--now???
LETTER IN POINT(Sic, sic, Mr. Green): The letter I ask to be run as is because if this material represents the work of a PUBLISHER, then I am very happy that our own people did every word of the work to "camera ready" FOR him. I want all of you to look most carefully at the letter printed here. I also want you to look at the "checks" he has supplied to this party for confirmation of his payments to Ekkers. Interestingly enough there was to have been an advance of $3,000 for EVERY Journal--in advance, monthly. Do YOU see any check representing same? At least one of the four drafts represents (finally) after months of nonpayment, reimbursement for setting up corporations FOR MR. GREEN PERSONALLY.
I, further, find nothing AFTER March 1, 1990! What happened to all the agreements to date?
WHERE ARE THE CANCELLED CHECKS IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,000, $100,000 AND A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS HE CLAIMED HE PAID FOR THE "EKKERS' GOLD" (OVERTON'S GIFT)?? HE HAS TOLD CALLERS THIS AND CLAIMS HE HAS THE CANCELLED CHECKS TO PROVE SAME.
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW CENTERNote Mr. Green further states that Mr. Dixon claims it takes $13,000 a month to run the Law Center! He further indicates that the Institute pays that (correct). He forgets to say that through his dealings against the Institute and through the "other" Anderson/Green Constitutional Law CenTRE--funds for the CLC were stolen. He further forgets that the lawsuits (ALL) are ones concerning HIM and his graft! Under the circumstances there should be full outpouring of complaint against Mr. Dixon for not spending 100% of his time on these affairs--ALONG WITH HIS OLD BUDDY, MR. TIPS!
When he first met the Ekkers, they needed money, he said. Well, what do you think NOW after his manipulations? By the way, ANY AND ALL FUNDS coming in, even as donations to or through the Ekkers--have been backed by gold for the benefit of the gifter--even if at some point it is handled for that person as a donation. For instance, the $10,000 "donation" to the Holy Light Network Church to be used for legal fees by Ekkers (mentioned in Mr. Green's letter) is secured by gold in the Institute.
Now we move to "his friend" Hinson-Rider (I shall spell it correctly, even if he did not). Green is not going to continue the old lie of setting up a non-profit corporation in California. Number one, it was NEVER considered--security for participants was not to be set forth as donations and "gifts" for the very protection against WHAT MR. GREEN DID WITH THE GIFT OF $350,000 IN COINS. You should note that of the $70,000 of Hinson-Rider, Mr. Green got all but (self-stated) $15,000 which WAS a gift but it too went into the Institute against the purchase of gold to back it. Actually, the entire $70,000 is backed by gold in the Institute.
Does it really smack of helplessness from what George Green has bragged about in his business affairs to date--that he "wasn't consulted" on any Institute business? Poor dear, he and Desiree were just so busy running around on the road and so busy publishing that they just never were allowed to know anything! He surely didn't object to spending money from the Institute on HIS architects, etc., with whom he has now built a competitive business.
Next he states that the note from Overton to Desiree indicated that he was sending the gold "as a gift"??!? Why would he do that? Would it not be possible (especially since D.O. stated so in deposition) that it was sent in appreciation of the work and information being presented by Hatonn and the work of the Institute? Does it seem "reasonable" that a man in Texas would just dump $350,000 in gold coins all over Desiree for her "bills" of which most are at Neiman Marcus, etc.?
The facts are that Green is right about the LIBERATOR going in the hole every week--SO DOES THE CONTACT BY TWICE THE $5-$7,000 WHICH COMES FROM THE INSTITUTE! THAT IS WHAT THE INSTITUTE PROJECTS ARE, AMONG DOZENS OF ONGOING PROJECTS IN BEGINNING OR FULL SWING PROJECTION.
He says the banks didn't want to loan against Krugerrands and sovereigns? Come now, Green! Also, who cares whether or not you had priorily opened the boxes in point--you knew what was in them for you had a list of every last quarter ounce. You, by your own statements--BORROWED AGAINST IT!
Boy, this is getting to be fun. The next thing about which we can chuckle is that Ekkers did purchase a set of the study course from US&P along with some other things--NONE OF WHICH WERE SECRETS OF LIGHT OR ATOMIC SUICIDE. Therefore, if there are "checks" then they do not represent something "Ekkers" bought--even the set of study materials were NOT purchased by or for Ekker but rather for another entity for which Mr. Ekker acted as a voluntary corporate person and semi-manager until such time as the entity could have full establishment. Mr. Ekker handles a whole bunch of business--ALL VOLUNTARY, Mr. Green, and YOU know it. Just for information, SECRETS OF LIGHT was purchased at a used book store in Glendale, Calif. for $35.00, Mr. Green, as was ATOMIC SUICIDE. Could you have eaten too many beans, Mr. Green, and the effluent clouded your thoughts? P.S.: Is US&P in the business of selling seminars and books or not? Would it be unreasonable, if we wish a book from Mr. Mullins, TO GET IT FROM MR. MULLINS IF WE ARE GOING TO "PUSH" THE TRUTH AND WORKS OF ONE EUSTACE MULLINS?
You speak of being liable for publishing the information of US&P? Nope, we only used a bit of the scientific work of one Dr. Walter Russell--we even took great exception to all of the metaphysical drivel offered by the University. We placed it into JOURNAL format just as the other report editions, giving full and wondrous credit for same. IF YOU MISREPRESENTED the volumes--then it is not our concern for your indiscretions. The liability is in the fact that YOU continued to sell books after the court had put them on hold until such time as they could be "heard in trial" as to content. That has not yet been done and when it is established that we COULD NOT HAVE DAMAGED anyone and that the material is PUBLIC DOMAIN and we only offer PERIODICAL-TYPE DATED JOURNALS (magazines) then you and "they" will have egg-on-face disease.
Further, we did not care that the books were impounded--it hardly matters out of all the other regular issues to get impatient over nine volumes, only four of which were even in question to any extent other than an occasional objection.
If it would have been easier to "just to sell the books (we assume the Russell material)" WHY DID YOU NOT DO IT? YOU were in the book selling business, Mr. Green--WE were and are in the information bringing business. I told you from onset of relationships that WE ARE NOT TO EVER PLAN TO MAKE WEALTH ON THESE JOURNALS OR THE PAPER!! WHERE WERE YOU?? THE POINT IS TO SELL THE AUTHOR'S WORKS OF WHICH I DO NOT CLAIM TITLE IN ALMOST ALL INSTANCES. GERMAIN IS DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE RUSSELL MATERIAL IS CONCERNED--HE GAVE IT FORTH IN THE FIRST PLACE! By the way, old buddy, I don't believe you will find even one reference on those "Hold Harmless" agreements to which you refer--to Ekkers. If you go forth and misrepresent something--then contents "hold harmless" is not going to hold water, friend. LOOK at the material! We have always given credit IF WE HAD THE REFERENCES AT THE TIME OF WRITING!! If, and it seems this way, you did not know what was in the books you published, then you should not have represented THAT YOU DID! The owner and distributors of Bantam Books would not represent spokesmanship for every volume they publish!
Why, further, do you say that "The attorneys that represent others are seeking a receivership for the Institute to try to salvage as much as possible"??? YOUR court documents claim that YOU want to insure YOU GET YOURS! This also means that everyone else LOSES THEIRS!! Moreover, you don't have anything in the Institute!! Therefore, you are simply trying to break the backs of everyone else AND KEEP THE STOLEN GOLD! MANY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR ANYTHING, EXCEPT A TINY FEW YOU MISLED, BROUGHT IN AND NOW WANT THEIR ASSETS FOR YOUR FURTHER WORK AND GAIN. YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY ARE GOING TO SUE THE DAYLIGHTS OUT OF YOU FOR YOUR RECENT OPERATIONS AS WELL AS YOUR ATTORNEY. IN FACT, BY THE TIME YOU RECEIVE THIS WRITING--YOU WILL NOTE THAT QUITE A LARGE NUMBER HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE THIS LEGAL MATTER INTO THEIR OWN HANDS TO INSURE NOTHING HAPPENS TO THIS INSTITUTE AND GOOD STANDING CORPORATION!
You most certainly DID say that Hatonn had gone to Nevada with you--ON NATIONAL RADIO! You also had private meetings with ones such as Bo Gritz and reported the same and he directly reported same to Ekkers.
I note that you claim, "The Ekkers get more crazy and leave out documentation". I believe you will find that the Ekkers are not even involved in the larger portion of YOUR TROUBLES. And, further, if they have gone "crazy" it would be most understandable! You want ones to look up "Avarice" in the Op/Owner Manual? Good grief, I touched that book, too, George! Is the Truth in that volume somehow valid while all others are not? Could it be that Desiree had more to do with that one than others? Why do you push that one and why not just look up "avarice" on the word machine? Definition: AVARICE: GREED! Ekkers??? YOU had the stolen gold! YOU are the ones jeopardizing the Institute! YOU act as if all the ones involved in the Institute are somehow unwilling to throw everything away and give you the pot at the end of the rainbow and are somehow crazy! WHO MIGHT BE CRAZY?
Now your last paragraph is most interesting: "By the way, our settlement agreement was to pay the University the legal fees $50,000". Of course that had never been so much as mentioned to the Institute or Ekkers by either you, your or the Ekkers' lawyer(s) and/or the University or their lawyers. How is it, Mr. Green, that Ekkers had to take the brunt of attendance in court, the contempt charges and yet YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT ANY INFORMATION??"....plus, pay the printer, pay the Hinson-Riders $70,000, give them 110,000 books which we paid for. That would leave us with about $100,000 and thereby only losing about a half million dollars on the deal and go away. GREED, only from the Ekkers. They got a house, new car, and lots of other goodies".
You fail to mention that in return for the "above" you would get all the money and gold you had secreted away! In other words you WOULD GET IT ALL. I am all but embarrassed because the Ekkers were willing to settle for that--AND YOU GOT ANGRY AT MR. DIXON AND REFUSED TO GO THROUGH WITH IT. WELL, IT IS AS WELL BECAUSE THE INSTITUTE IS THE ONE IN POINT TO BE HURT--AND THEY ARE NOT LONGER WILLING TO SETTLE. YOU HAVE DESTROYED THE VALUE OF THE JOURNALS AND OLD EDITIONS OF MAGAZINES ARE NOT WORTH VERY MUCH, ARE THEY?
Now for the Ekkers' greed? "They got a house, new car and lots of other goodies."??? The RTC not only got their home but SOLD IT TO PEOPLE IN ARIZONA!! New car? They have a GMC pickup from 1968 and a GMC "Jimmy" from 1976. I could swear to the fact that it was the Greens who had a nice silver Mercedes and got a nice wondrously beautiful Chrysler! Other goodies? You mean like "lost everything" and therefore wouldn't have so much to "pack to move"? Doris shops at McFrugals and Pic and Save--where do you shop?
By the way, friends in Carson City and surrounding territories (for you keep your dwelling place a BIG SECRET), that SANANDA MESSAGE WAS FOR ONES DESIREE AND GEORGE GREEN!
By the way--you also send "proof" of the losses you have sustained on the books and paper
-- then WHY do you fail to get rid of them? You COULD HAVE settled your whole problem by simply releasing the JOURNALS and not owe a cent on any note to the Institute. That is no longer enough because what you HAVE PROVEN is that the books aren't worth anything so this has to be considered by the Institute in the name of GOOD BUSINESS practice for obviously the product you offered as coverage for the Institute return is not worth the paper it is printed on.
I become incensed, sir, that you continue to treat the ones to whom you write and "prove" yourselves innocent as if they are stupid morons. God's people are NOT STUPID NOR ARE THEY BLIND MORONS and they see through you like a transparent glass lens.
The "UNCOVERING" is out of my scribe's hands now as it pours in from everywhere and, yes indeed, we will most surely give credits for that uncovering work for we want no-one
TO THINK WE ARE GIVING LITTLE SECRET TID-BITS OF FORTUNE TELLING INSIGHT! If YOU have been had by the baiters, Mr. Green, then sympathy is fully rested upon you--BUT OTHERS WILL NOT BE GIVEN INTO LOSS FOR YOUR OWN "AVARICE" AND IGNORANCE.
Perhaps you are seeing the answer to prayers from ones intent upon God's help in this matter and who are asking for help to insure that their families do not lose and God's Truth DOES go forth? Ah indeed--lessons in Truth.
You suggest that "There are lessons of discernment for everyone". Indeed, and I believe our readers are getting a whole heck of a lot of THAT, sir.
Ekkers are crazy? Perhaps, they certainly have a right to be under these kinds of totally focused attacks--BUT DON'T COUNT ON IT, SIR. FOR ANY SLIPPAGE ON THEIR PARTS--THERE ARE MARVELOUSLY TALENTED AND GIFTED PERSONS TO TAKE UP THE TASK AND YOU ARE SIMPLY NOW GETTING TO MEET THEM!
I believe that the next step by the Institute directors and participants will be to take out public bill-boards and "copy" the Associated Press in Carson City and Minden--you see, we have access to "OUTFOX THE FOXES" also, Mr. Green--and they quote some of OUR OWN WORK in their most timely book. Perhaps smarter than we, however, they give no authorship to give trouble unto. So much for that service intelligence--WE NEEDED TO PULL YOU ONES OF FUZZY COVERINGS OUT OF THE WOODWORK! You had better understand something here--I DO NOT MIND THE ASSAULTS--THE MORE THE BETTER. NOW, IT IS NOT ONLY MY SCRIBE TO TAKE THE TARGETED SLINGS--SO I BELIEVE WE CAN HANG ON QUITE A BIT LONGER, SIR. GOD DOESN'T QUIT! THE SERPENTS--ON THE OTHER HAND--WILL ALWAYS TURN WHEN THEY MEET THE WALL OF LIGHT! IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF PATIENCE AND "TIME". You, Greens, are proving that your word through actions are not worthy of acceptance as valid in ANY FORUM--you will turn upon your "friend" in the flicker of an eyelid and strike him in his back but it always is found-out, my friends--always in the ending it is found out for, even if Earth is left behind--THERE SHALL ALWAYS BE THE ACCOUNTING TO SOUL SELF AS YOU MEET YOUR CREATOR.
PJ70CHAPTER 4
REC #1 CERES 'ATONN
FRI., MAY 28, 1993 1:10 P.M. YEAR 6, DAY 285Sit with me a minute, Dharma, for I know that you are suffering from total overload and "mushbrainitis". And, you editors--do us the personal favor of bearing with us while we lay a few things out most bluntly for my people are weary unto breaking--but they WILL NOT--THEY WILL NOT EVEN PAUSE IN THEIR TASKS. It does mean, however, that Dharma needs a break today, perhaps.
FRIDAY, MAY 28, 1993
Share this morning's tape with the local workers for unless you know what is being accomplished--you simply run yourselves ragged and Dharma toward a total nervous exhaustion. Before doing so, however, remove mention of W.H.'s name in any way whatsoever and the "use of the pendulum". I weary of my words being taken out of meaning and slapped later into our faces. I HAVE to leave it to you ones to think carefully and act accordingly.
Now, as to ones such as Theresa Dawn, etc. who have an ongoing direct line to me--please notify those few that they can still reach me through this address--but we are NOT going to play favorites and continue to bury my scribe because others want attention. This is not the fact in some instances, and this is one, so don't misread these words. I simply have to have a break for this human being.
People are not even able to get a paper a week read--Dharma has to cover the amount of 10 of those papers every week in addition to piles of correspondence and documents including thousands of pages of legal confusion from a dozen lawsuits.
I, too, don't know what we can do about the paper and contents--but we have to do something other than dump the load onto her and yet, yes indeed, I INTEND TO MONITOR IT ALL AND IT IS THROUGH HER EYES AND EARS THAT IT MUST BE DONE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FOCUS.
When I get involved personally as this morning it is because I see that if you do not take appropriate action--you will be "HAD" and you fail to be able to see the train coming at you. Moreover if you can't stand the heat in this kitchen--get out of it and stop telling me to turn the heat down under the soup in such and such a way. MY ENEMY IS SATAN AND EVIL
--I WILL HANDLE THE FIRE UNDER THE POT ANY WAY THAT I DEEM APPROPRIATE--QUICKLY AND DECISIVELY--YOU CAN CATCH UP WITH HOW YOU "FEEL ABOUT IT" AT YOUR OWN LEISURE AND NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PARTICIPANTS. IF SQUASHING A VIPER REQUIRES SQUASHING ONE OF HIS SCORPIONS TO GET TO HIM--WILL I DO SO? YOU BET--INSTANTLY OR SLOWLY, WHICH EVER COMES MOST APPROPRIATELY--FIRST.
As we bring things which seem contradictory to you--to the paper forum and you think we should soften the outlay a bit--think again as to "why" you think that. Are you afraid you will lose readers? Sponsorship? What causes you to drag your feet?
When I tell you to "go for Perot" again, are you all going to put your hand to forehead and faint in foolishness? You are going to have to have SOMETHING and get SOMEONE who can focus a nation--THE MAN CAN BE CHANGED IF DIRECTION IS WRONG--YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE BEAST IN POWER!!! Do you think you will miraculously pull Gritz from the hills of Idaho and push him forth and a miracle savior is born? No, you take what you have and build. Perot will HAVE TO LISTEN BECAUSE HE HAS ACTUALLY GIVEN HIS WORD TO DO SO--AND HIS WORD IS STILL WORTHY OF AT LEAST HIS OWN PERCEPTION OF HONOR.
"But he is one of the Elite!" you say. OH? What difference does that make? Are you not also misled by the Elite? What makes YOU so smart and wise? Oh, you got intelligence and smartness? DON'T YOU THINK HE CAN TOO, IF PUSHED INTO IT--POSSIBLY? AND IF HE DOESN'T WHOSE FAULT IS IT? THE ELITE THINK THEY ARE PLAYING HIM ALONG FOR BACKUP WHEN A NEW HORSE HAS TO BE SHOWN--OOPS! WHAT IF THAT HORSE IS NO LONGER ON "THEIR TEAM"? ARE YOU GOING TO LIMIT GOD--AGAIN? Yes, I thought so.
MONEY"But is there enough money to do such a thing?" Who knows--there is abundance if ones who CLAIM such wealth put it into proper circulation.
I am not going to run the letter from "Durham" regarding the "Gold Certificate". Why? Because it has been tampered with and secondly, it offers incredible wealth to a non-functioning bunch of idiots who will destroy you through their evilness. If ones who have such a "gold certificate" cannot see as much then the game is worthless as is being played at any rate.
GOLD CERTIFICATESDoes anyone remember in months past a little thing about some Russians showing up in London with gold certificates valued at such an amount as to break the world bank? The Swiss interest rate went up 400% overnight and panic hit the streets! I believe that little certificate came around through the Ukraine! Now, if the "Soviets" don't have it and the goodly Russians DO--what have you? If Cosmos Seafood Energy Marketing - - - et al. has one (or the ability to simply sign on it and buy the world)--why don't they hook up with ones who can change the world? I'm sorry, chelas, I have no time to "prove myself" or play "intelligence service" games. I don't mind the paper being used to carry messages but I will not jeopardize the credibility of the paper to play silly children's games.
Yes indeed, the mail is tapped, the phones are tapped and every confounded thing in your lives is "tapped"--so what?? If you want to change your world you are not going to do it through more and more and more deceit and silliness.
We are NOT some forum for titillating the public "cop-out" systems. But no, we had not received the March 20, 1993 letter from Cosmos Seafood Energy Marketing Ltd. to "Mr. President". I'm sorry, I would not have printed it if I had it. Why would we not run it and share with the people? Because, for instance, we can't "rewrite" the letter for it is covered with "seals" and yet I will not allow something as misleading as this letter to go out to our readers. In one place the amount of value attached to that "gold certificate" of
$400 Quantillion. THERE IS NO SUCH NUMBER! Literally, there IS NO SUCH NUMBER!
Is there such a certificate? Yes indeed. Is it valuable? Yes indeed! But, there is also a solid gold Buddha belonging to one Roxas of the Philippines--taken by Marcos. What difference if you have diamonds, gold and certificates IF YOU USE THEM NOT? So--you have a mountain of gold--go ahead and tell me about that! I can MAKE gold--what is YOUR asset?
You blast our people for trying to serve and infer that somehow wrong things going on are a bit their fault--THEY PUBLISH A NEWSPAPER--NOW CALLED CONTACT for the LIBERATOR couldn't make it with the assaults against it and now you advertise that paper to the very "President" enemy himself. Well, friends, he already reads it first on Tuesdays so we won't help any further than that. This I say to our tapped-in friends on this line right now.
IF you have something to offer and do in fact feel we are worthy somehow to assist--fine. However, to insult the President is not among our thrusts of action. YOU put the man into office so why now assault him? IF you have wealth to share to turn this nation around--either use it wisely or prepare to lose everything in the games at hand. ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD CANNOT PURCHASE ONE SOUL!
I realize that all the corporate "seals" plastered on the papers makes it appear valid. Forget such antics for it looks like something out of a B-Grade James Bond (Get Smart) series. ANYONE can get a duplicate SEAL. Furthermore, half the letters we receive from "Durham" are NOT! Now, if you get angry at this truth--then you are not valid at any rate!
If, further, you have such a certificate and "if" Clinton doesn't ante-up in 60 days--you will "sell it to the highest bidder"? Sounds really sincere in intent to save your nation doesn't it? Just whose side are YOU on? Further, you were given a SAFE place through which to route your correspondence--WHY DID YOU NOT USE IT? Didn't get it? Well, perhaps then you can now see the problem facing our own crew! WE offered you help if we could be of assistance--we are not out to save anything--if you want your selves saved--YOU WILL DO IT! YOU INSIST ON PROOF AS TO WHO "I" AM? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVEN THE MOST TINY FLICKER OF PROOF AS TO WHO YOU ARE! I don't like hostage gold certificates, vanishing corporate stock certificates OR games played by cute smoke-screens. IF YOU WANT HELP, NEED HELP OR WISH TO DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE
--FINE--UNTIL THEN WE NEED THE SPACE IN THE PAPER TO TRY TO SAVE A LIFE OR TWO--LIKE MAYBE WEAVER'S, AND A GLOBE FULL OF BEINGS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HIT THEM.
NEW FLULISTEN to that which they TELL YOU. The Centers for Disease Control is telling you bunches if you but listen. They are ADVERTISING for you to get your "flu shots"! Why? Because "there is going to be a massive outbreak of untreatable flu". It will have no treatment and it is a "mutant form of Beijing flu". Is everybody with me so far? How do "they" know this? When is this all supposed to take place--this week? Nope-next winter! And, furthermore, you must get ready to get your shots NEXT SEPTEMBER! IF YOU DON'T START THINKING, READERS, YOU ARE DEAD DUCKS.
TODAYWorse than the above--TODAY is upon you and the testing has started!!! In New Mexico, in a village, people were suddenly hit with massive illness--all at once. Of ten who had early symptoms of "flu" six were dead in 48 hours. What else can this tell you? Well, a set of parents of a baby both perished while the child had symptoms but recovered. Ah--that means this infection had to come from the WATER SUPPLY or airborne substance. The PLAN is to contaminate the WATER SUPPLIES. "THEY" have crossed a form of E-Coli with virus DNA and you have a mutation which KILLS in a very few hours--and can be called an "act of God" and a bad "flu epidemic".
I suggest you treat your own water from wherever you get it--with about 7 drops of 35% FOOD GRADE hydrogen peroxide, readers. You are UNDER ATTACK by your own government and they PLAN TO KILL THE WHOLE LOT OF YOU ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
[I ask that herein, no matter how many pages in this paper, RERUN the Ground Water material. We will hold off on all other things such as money, Certificates, etc. YOU MUST HAVE THIS INFORMATION!]
What can you do for protection? Well, it is hard for me to recommend anything because the law hits us at every turn of the roadway. But, the only thing I see to save your lives is to get your self immune-system ready. This means that you are going to have to get on Gaiandriana and, frankly, Crystal Life. I effort to work with the Crystal Life people and they don't even get my mail--we just get threatened with more lawsuits.
WE ARE NOT PLAYING AT GAMES OF HOP-SCOTCH--WE ARE EFFORTING TO TELL YOU HOW TO SAVE YOUR VERY LIVES!! AND WE GET LAWSUITS-SOMETIMES I, TOO, WONDER WHY GOD BOTHERS.
By the way, the above information about this "strange" illness sweeping villages in New Mexico came from a frantic friend in New Mexico and it (the story) had broken in the Associated Press night before last.
Stop the "fooling around"--get those vipers off our backs so we can get on with our work or we shall not be ready for anything except the coffins. I am not supposed to frighten you? Good grief--I'm scared into shuddering over you--what does it take to get your attention?
Our people here are shackled into helplessness until the Institute "thing" is settled for the projects are sitting on "hold"--that means we can't perfect the Gaiandriana process and further will likely be closing the very operation within the week (and this is Friday). We shall effort to continue in some sort of "business" in the interim but we are pressed under the load of legal attacks. However, DO NOT UNDERSELL GOD'S ABILITY TO CREATE ALTERNATIVES WHEN NECESSARY WITH AND THROUGH WILLING HANDS. WE HAD TO CLOSE THE LIBERATOR AND WE ONLY HAVE BETTER. HOWEVER, WITHOUT ANY FLOW OF RESOURCES IT IS BLEAK INDEED FOR THE NEAR TIME.
EARTHOUAKE IN BAKERSFIELDWhat about it? Yes it was a nice hefty shaker AND it was accompanied by the now typical "explosion". Aftershocks? Not yet? Come on now! There are no notable after-shocks from a 5 point quake? What goes on? Lots, and besides, WE have to get READY TOO! When that big one goes on the San Andreas, and it looks like to me that it could well be around the second week in June if something isn't relieved before then, you can expect that one to be upwards of 10 points any way you count it. You are shaking constantly to the point that I don't see how you can tell the difference in a reported "quake" and the constant jello-effect except that you still "SEEM" to be alive and somewhat functioning in normal patterns. Will it happen? Yep--one of these days IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND PLEASE REALIZE--YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND STILL NOT A TENTH OF YOU ARE IN THE LEAST PREPARED!
Contaminated water supplies in the midst of earth upheaval is going to be about the end of it. Even Los Angeles is now planning to come around to water purification USING HYDROGEN PEROXIDE AND OZONE! Will it get changed over in time to save the water holding tanks, etc? I doubt it--so why don't you just get your own little bottle and save your life?
Hatonn is irritated and frustrated today? YES.
BO GRITZI am told that Mr. Gritz is really XXX-off over our little writings in the CONTACT. Oh? And you think it alright to label the Hosts of God--Satanic? I would guess Colonel Gritz is not the only one a bit irritated! Is it possible that it isn't alright for the Goose to get the same as the Gander gave forth? God wouldn't work that way? How do YOU know how God would work? Who told you so? If YOU don't think yourself worthy of meeting God and serving in this time of wondrous revelation-then why don't YOU get out of the way of those who do and stop PROVING your unworthiness.
THINK! Think in all generalization and possibilities. ONE cannot do all of this for all of you. I do NOT "just" answer through one Dharma and yet most of the rest are waiting for that to happen--some just to denounce. Many ones just want to pick and snicker and insult while not expecting to hear from anyone on anything anytime no-how!
Neither, though, may you go forth in separation from me and dive off into shallow water and break your necks when it affects so many beings if YOU make wrong actions. However, hold the intent of "highest cause" always in your focus and the rest will only be tools toward accomplishment of that ONE GOAL. IMPORTANT items must be considered always--"Important" being that which affects the most numbers of people, places and things. This does not even mean "good" as in "importance toward good"--it means that which affects the most and largest body of God creation. Hitler, for instance, was a most important man--that does not mean by any stretch of the imaginings that he was necessarily "good". Stop thinking in terms of simply your own "little" focus and expression and your "druthers"! Neither can you simply put up your hands and say "God will take care of it"! Why? Because in the domain of physical expression--YOU are going to have to attend things physical. God shows you HOW! FURTHER, HE WILL ONLY DO IT THROUGH MIND THOUGHT!
HOW CAN YOU TELL FALSE SPEAKERS?
Easy--the Truth fails to be brought forth. Truth is the same and there is ultimately only ONE Truth in any given circumstance "toward wholly the Holy Light". So, how can you tell that in the instance of G.G. and other blasts against your own expression--who is telling Truth? For one thing--twelve truths never make a "one" right. It usually makes for 13 lies! George changes HIS story every fifteen minutes and dozens of "different" stories come back from every direction on your map. So--at least all but ONE, and in this case ALL, are not Truth.
So, as Wes Miller says--are there other speakers for Hatonn? Yes indeed--but NONE of the ones recommended by Green are valid! How can you tell? READ AND LISTEN! THE PROJECTIONS AS OFFERED IN SUBJECT MATERIAL ARE FOOLISH AND ILLOGICAL--GOD IS LOGIC IN ITS PUREST FORM--ALWAYS IN "REASON". IF YOU "ASCEND" THERE HAS TO BE "REASON" FOR SAME AND CAPABILITY FOR SAME FOR THERE IS UNIVERSAL PHYSICS TO CONSIDER HERE IN YOUR RECKONING. PHYSICAL MATTER CANNOT EXIST AS PHYSICAL MANIFESTED MATTER IN AN ETHERIC SETTING--SO TO TAKE THAT PHYSICAL BODY "WITH YOU" SOMEWHERE INTO AN ETHERIC HIGHER WORLD--YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TRANSFORM MATTER INTO ENERGY, ETC. INDEED MIGRATIONS WILL HAPPEN BUT NOT THE WAY "THEY" TELL YOU AND THEREBY YOU CAN KNOW TRUTH!
Now, you who disagree with this--WHY? Somebody told you differently? Why is THAT ONE more trustworthy than am I who told you in total logic, reason and years of outlay of Truth? So, why are you uncomfortable with Truth? Because you do not wish to handle the RESPONSIBILITY of actions in the Truth of knowing. Does it matter? NOT UNLESS YOU ARE ACTUALLY EFFORTING TO GET OFF THAT DANGEROUS PLACE AND INTO GOD'S SECURITY AND EXPRESSION OF ONGOING POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. IT CERTAINLY MATTERS NOT IN THE LEAST TO ME! YOU will get your lessons one way or another PRIOR to making that wondrous transition.
THE WEAVER CASEThe following again comes via the American Patriot Fax Network and KEEP AMERICA FREE.
Readers--we must help if ones are to survive. The group here will gather up enough to at least pay the phone bill for our friends there. That is almost $2,000--but "I" as Chairman and Advisor to the Board of the Institute--do ask that these funds be made available. NO ONE CAN DO IT ALONE! WE CAN HARDLY KEEP THE PAPER ALIVE AND PUBLISHED--BUT--TOGETHER WE CAN DO AMAZING THINGS WITH INFORMATION PASSAGE AND IF THE SPELTA DOESN'T GET WATERED--THE TRUTH SHALL PERHAPS SERVE YOU WELL ENOUGH TO HARVEST ANOTHER YEAR. GOD BLESSES YOU, SON (Kenneth Vardon), FOR YOUR UNSTINTING SERVICE UNTO YOUR BRETHREN. You can reach him at 3790 Hazelwood #11, Las Vegas, NV 89119. His rent is around $500 and, brothers, it is hard to serve brothers, nation and God.
Others are serving at personal cost beyond the counting, the ones ACTUALLY in prison.
I do not ask for welfare here, readers--just be sure your priorities are in order for, as the adversary attacks and attacks relentlessly--it is hard indeed to keep the news going forth. It is even harder when ones flaunt trillions of dollars in your face while you are simply desperate for an hour's rest. So many of you have given against all odds, all you have and it does not go unnoticed and THIS is the "unity" of which I speak--not groups and cults--UNITY OF MANKIND!
So now, to Day 26 of:
RANDY WEAVER/KEVIN HARRIS TRIALBOISE, IDAHO... TODAY, BEFORE THE JURY WAS BROUGHT IN, THE PROSECUTOR ASKED THE JUDGE FOR AN ORDER PERMITTING THE SHIRT THAT SAMMY WAS WEARING WHEN HE WAS SHOT IN THE BACK TO BE SENT TO AN EXPERT FOR TESTING. THE JUDGE AGREED. THE PROSECUTOR SAID THAT THEY HAD MYSTERIOUSLY FOUND 150 PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE GATHERING OF EVIDENCE WHICH WAS DONE WITHIN A WEEK OF AUGUST 21, 1992. HE WILL TURN THEM OVER TO THE DEFENSE.
THE JURY AND MARSHAL RODERICK WERE BROUGHT IN AND SPENCE ASKED RODERICK IF IT WAS JUST COINCIDENCE THAT WHEN HE MADE A CLEAR PLASTIC OVERLAY OF THE MARSHAL COOPER DIAGRAM THAT IT WAS A PERFECT COPY OF HIS DIAGRAM WHEN THEY HAD BOTH TESTIFIED THAT THEY MADE THEIR DIAGRAMS INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER. HE LAID THE OVERLAY OF COOPER'S OVER RODERICK'S AND THEY WERE A PERFECT MATCH IN EVERY WAY EXCEPT TWO ARROWS WERE SHORTER BUT SHOWED THE SAME DIRECTION. RODERICK DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER.
HE TESTIFIED DIFFERENTLY ABOUT WHAT RANDY WAS SAYING AT THE SHOOT-OUT THAN WHAT HE HAD SAID AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING LAST SEPTEMBER. HE ALSO TESTIFIED ABOUT SEEING EMPTY RIFLE CASINGS AT THE SHOOT-OUT SITE AT A WALK-THROUGH THREE DAYS AFTER THE SHOOTING. HIS TESTIMONY NOW DOESN'T AGREE WITH WHAT HE TOLD THE FBI AGENT IN CHARGE AT THAT TIME ABOUT THE PLAN TO KILL THE DOG. HE TOLD THE GRAND JURY, "THE DOG RAN TOWARD ME AND I SHOT HIM". YESTERDAY HE TESTIFIED THAT STRIKER'S (DOG) BACK WAS TOWARD HIM WHEN HE SHOT THE DOG AND THE AUTOPSY BEARS THAT OUT. SPENCE ACCUSED HIM OF SHOOTING THE DOG AS IT AND RANDY WERE RUNNING AWAY FROM HIM SO THAT RANDY MIGHT REACT AND SHOOT AT HIM AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE AN EXCUSE FOR SHOOTING RANDY. HE DENIED THAT.
RODERICK STILL MAINTAINS THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW SAMMY HAD BEEN SHOT, UNTIL SEVERAL DAYS LATER, EVEN THOUGH SAMMY WAS LAYING IN THE ROAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. HE STILL MAINTAINS THAT HE DIDN'T SEE RANDY, VICKI, AND KEVIN COME DOWN RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM AND PICK UP SAMMY'S BODY AND CARRY IT UP THE HILL IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.
SPENCE ASKED HIM 13 QUESTIONS THAT CAPTAIN NEAL SUPPOSEDLY ASKED HIM THE NIGHT OF THE SHOOT-OUT. HE COULDN'T RECALL BEING ASKED 12 OF THEM.
SPENCE ASKED, "YOU HAD A DEAD BOY AND A DEAD OFFICER AND YOU HAD BEEN TOLD NOT TO HAVE A CONFRONTATION AND YOU AND COOPER HAD 12 HOURS TO DEVELOP AN EXCUSE FOR KILLING A LITTLE BOY, ISN'T THAT SO?" QUICKLY OBJECTED TO AND NOT ANSWERED.
SPENCE ASKED, "CAN YOU TELL ME ONE GOOD REASON TO SHOOT A 13 YEAR OLD BOY IN THE BACK"? QUICKLY OBJECTED TO AND NOT ANSWERED.
THE NEXT WITNESS WAS MARK THUNDERCLOUD, SPECIAL AGENT FBI WHO WORKED FOR THE FBI 15 YEARS. HE MADE A SKETCH OF THE AREA OF THE SHOOT-OUT. IT WAS NOT TO SCALE, AND NOT PRECISELY DRAWN. AT THE BEST THE SKETCH WAS VERY CRUDE.
HE WAS SENT TO RUBY MOUNTAIN AREA THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE SHOOTING, BUT WAS NOT TAKEN TO THE ACTUAL SITE UNTIL 3 DAYS AFTER THE SHOOTING TO START LOCATING AND GATHERING EVIDENCE. RONALD HOWEN, THE CHIEF PROSECUTOR IN THIS CASE, WAS AT THE SHOOTING SITE THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE SHOOTING, AND MADE HIS OWN INVESTIGATION. THE JUDGE HAS CONTINUALLY REFUSED TO ALLOW SPENCE TO CALL HOWEN AS A WITNESS TO TELL WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DONE TO THE AREA PRIOR TO THE OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION AND EVIDENCE LOCATING AND GATHERING.
THEY BORROWED A 300 FOOT TAPE MEASURE FROM THE IDAHO STATE POLICE. HE WAS DIRECTED TO USE A STUMP FOR A REFERENCE POINT AND MEASURE ARTICLES OF EVIDENCE FROM THAT ONE POINT WITHOUT ANY TRIANGULATION FROM A SECOND POINT. HE ADMITTED THAT ONCE ANYTHING WAS MOVED THERE WOULD BE NO WAY FOR ANYONE TO EVER AGAIN COME UP WITH A CORRECT LOCATION EXCEPT AT SOME POINT OF THE ARC, WHICH COULD BE OFF BY QUITE A BIT. THE DRAWING WAS MADE FREE HAND AND THE ROAD WAS NEVER MEASURED FOR WIDTH. WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT SOME OBJECTS, HE STATED THAT THEY APPEARED TO BE NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. THAT WAS AS CLOSE AS THEY COULD COME TO THE ORIGINAL LOCATION AFTER THEY WERE MOVED.
GERRY SPENCE TOOK 2 EXTENSION CORDS BEING USED IN THE COURTROOM AND SHOWED THE JURY HOW AN OBJECT COULD BE RELOCATED BY MEASURING FROM 2 POINTS INSTEAD OF ONE. WITNESS AGREED WITH HIM. THE WITNESS DID NOT HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DONE OR COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH OR TO THE EVIDENCE BETWEEN AUGUST 21, THE DAY OF THE SHOOTING AND AUGUST 24, WHEN THEY STARTED THEIR OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION.
AFTER LUNCH, WITHOUT THE JURY, SPENCE SAID THAT HE HAD JUST BEEN HANDED A PACKAGE OF PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SHOOTING SITE AND A HANDFUL OF NOTES THAT WERE TAKEN LAST OCTOBER AND WITHHELD UNTIL NOW. ONE OF THE PICTURES WAS OF THE "MAGIC BULLET" AND HE HAD FOUND OUT THAT IT HAD BEEN COLLECTED AND THEN BROUGHT BACK AND PLACED WHERE THEY WANTED TO PHOTOGRAPH IT.
SPENCE CONTINUES TO DEMAND THAT HOWEN TAKE THE STAND (HE HAS BEEN MAKING THIS REQUEST SINCE LAST YEAR). THE JUDGE CONTINUES TO DENY THE MOTION.
SPENCE STATES THAT IN 40 YEARS IN THE COURTROOM, HE HAS NEVER SEEN THINGS DONE LIKE THEY ARE BEING DONE HERE. THEY ARE NOT SURE WHEN THE PICTURE OF THE MAGIC BULLET WAS TAKEN OR WHO TOOK IT. THE JUDGE SAID AT THE END OF THE DAY HE WOULD DECIDE WHAT WAS TO BE DONE.
THE JURY AND WITNESS WERE AGAIN BROUGHT IN. SPENCE PRODUCED ANOTHER DIAGRAM MADE AFTER THE FBI HAD GONE TO THE MOUNTAIN LAST APRIL AND SURVEYED THE AREA. THE ONLY REFERENCE THAT THEY HAD TO SURVEY FROM WAS THE CRUDE DIAGRAM. THEY MADE A NEW DIAGRAM THAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL ONE MADE BY THUNDERCLOUD.
THE NEXT WITNESS WAS JOSEPH BENKUS, FBI SPECIAL AGENT, 31 YEARS WITH THE FBI. THIS WITNESS HAS BEEN SITTING IN THE COURTROOM FOR THE ENTIRE TRIAL, AND IS NOW CALLED AS A WITNESS. HE WAS NOT ON THE POTENTIAL WITNESS LIST. THE JUDGE ALLOWED IT. HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE ENTIRE SEARCH AND GATHERING OF EVIDENCE AT THE SHOOTING SITE.
THE FBI AND BOUNDARY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE EACH MADE A VIDEO OF THE AREA. THEY DIRECTED THE CAMERA TO "STRIKER" ABOUT 6 TIMES SHOWING THE "TRACK" MARKS OVER HIM. THIS WAS NOT "TIRE" MARKS, BUT TRACK MARKS FROM A TRACKED VEHICLE OF SOME TYPE. BENKUS THOUGHT IT WAS AN ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER THAT MADE THE TRACKS. THE VIDEOS WERE MADE 3 DAYS AND 7 DAYS AFTER THE SHOOTING.
AFTER THE AFTERNOON RECESS SPENCE CAME BACK IN AND SAID HE HAD JUST FOUND OUT THAT NOT ONLY HAD THE MAGIC BULLET BEEN MOVED AROUND BEFORE BEING PHOTOGRAPHED, BUT ALL THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT THE SITE OF THE SHOOTING HAD BEEN GATHERED UP AS THERE WAS NOT A PHOTOGRAPHER AVAILABLE AT THE TIME OF THE SEARCH, AND BROUGHT BACK AND PLACED AS IF TO APPEAR THAT THEY WERE IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION AND PHOTOGRAPHED AFTER A PHOTOGRAPHER BECAME AVAILABLE.
GERRY SPENCE SAID HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON. HE WAS FIRST TOLD ABOUT CAPTAIN NEAL OF THE IDAHO STATE POLICE LAST FRIDAY. FIRST TOLD ABOUT MARSHAL COOPER'S LONG LOST NOTES LAST FRIDAY. THE NOTES CONTRADICT COOPER'S TESTIMONY AND HE WANTS HIM RETURNED FOR QUESTIONING.
THE PROSECUTOR WAS AT THE SITE AT THE TIME OF THE EVIDENCE GATHERING AND SHOULD BE MADE A WITNESS. THIS IS TAMPERING WITH DUE PROCESS. THE FBI IS A PRINCIPAL PARTY AND THEY HAVE WITHHELD EVIDENCE. THE JURY IS ENTITLED TO KNOW EVERYTHING. SPENCE WANTS TO TELL THE JURY OR THE JUDGE TO TELL THE JURY, AND PUT THE PROSECUTOR ON THE WITNESS STAND.
THE JUDGE DOESN'T THINK ANY OF SPENCE'S SUGGESTIONS SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT. THE PROSECUTOR WILL NOT BE A WITNESS. MOTION DENIED. JURY AND WITNESS BROUGHT BACK IN.
SPENCE SAYS THAT THEY CAN SAVE AT LEAST 2 DAYS IF THE DEFENSE AND PROSECUTION GET TOGETHER AND STIPULATE TO MUCH OF THE MATERIAL, THE JUDGE GOES FOR THAT. COURT IS RECESSED AT 4:10 SO THAT THE DEFENSE AND PROSECUTION CAN GET TO WORK.
DAY 27--RANDY WEAVER/KEVIN HARRIS TRIAL(BOISE, IDAHO)... TODAY, CHIEF PROSECUTOR HOWEN SAID HE KNEW ABOUT SOME OF THE RECONSTRUCTED EVIDENCE A LONG TIME AGO BUT WOULD NOT INTRODUCE THAT EVIDENCE. PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE AGREED ON STIPULATING MUCH OF THE SMALL EVIDENCE LAST EVENING. MOST EVERYTHING BUT THE "MAGIC BULLET".
THE JURY AND WITNESS (JOSEPH VENKUS--YESTERDAY HE WAS REPORTED AS BENKUS) WERE BROUGHT IN. MUCH OF THE SMALL ARTICLES OF EVIDENCE WERE DISCUSSED AND ADMITTED (SHELL CASINGS, BULLETS, BULLET FRAGMENTS, ETC.). VENKUS SAID WHEN HE RECEIVED MARSHAL DEGAN'S GUN, HE SIGNED FOR 20 ROUNDS WITH IT, BUT SEVERAL MONTHS LATER WHEN HE COUNTED THEM, THERE WERE ONLY 19 ROUNDS. WHEN HE RECEIVED THE GUN BELONGING TO MARSHAL THOMAS, HE NEVER RECEIVED A MAGAZINE OR AMMO. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT BECAME OF THEM. IT WAS ALLEGEDLY LOADED WITH 27 ROUNDS BEFORE THE MISSION THAT ENDED IN THE SHOOTING. WHEN ALL THE GUNS WERE SENT TO THE FBI TESTING LAB, THE THOMAS GUN CAME BACK WITH THE RODERICK MAGAZINE, AND THE RODERICK GUN CAME BACK WITHOUT A MAGAZINE. THESE WERE M16A2, .223 CALIBRE FULL OR SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLES (THEY CALL THEM MACHINE GUNS).
WHEN THE GUNS WERE TURNED OVER TO HIM THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE SHOOTING, ONE OF THE M16A2s WAS MISSING. IT SEEMS THAT THEY HAD FORGOTTEN IT AND LEFT IT AT THE RAU HOUSE UP ON THE MOUNTAIN.
WHEN HE RECEIVED THE 9MM COLT COMMANDO SILENCED SUB MACHINE GUN, HE SAID HE WAS GIVEN 19 SHELLS WITH IT. THE BAG OF AMMO NOW CONTAINED 20 SHELLS. AGAIN NO EXPLANATION.
HE WENT BACK UP TO THE SHOOTING SITE AGAIN IN APRIL, 1993, SOME 8 MONTHS LATER, AND THE STAKES THAT HE HAD DRIVEN IN THE PRIOR AUGUST WERE MISSING, BUT HE SAID HE "VIVIDLY RECALLED THE AREA".
THERE WERE SUPPOSEDLY 2 THREE-ROUND BURSTS FIRED FROM THE COLT SUB MACHINE GUN. THEY COULD ONLY FIND 5 9MM CASINGS AND ONLY 3 COULD BE BALLISTICALLY MATCHED TO THE COLT. TWO ROUNDS COULDN'T BE IDENTIFIED.
FROM THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING ON AUGUST 21, UNTIL HE STARTED THE EVIDENCE SEARCH ON AUGUST 24, HE HAD NO IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE OR VEHICLES HAD BEEN RUNNING AROUND THE SHOOTING SITE, OR IF ANY OR ALL THE EVIDENCE HAD BEEN MOVED OR TAMPERED WITH, AS THE SITE WAS NEVER SECURED.
HE BELIEVES THAT HE LEARNED ABOUT THE MAGIC BULLET FROM FBI AGENT IN CHARGE, GREG RAMPTON, BUT DOESN'T RECALL WHEN.
NONE OF THE SIX SIDEARMS WERE EVER COLLECTED OR THE AMMO ACCOUNTED FOR, SOME OF THEM WERE 9MM, WHICH MIGHT ACCOUNT FOR THE UNIDENTIFIABLE CASINGS FOUND. SUPPOSEDLY NONE OF THE HANDGUNS WERE EVER FIRED.
WHEN HE INTERVIEWED MARSHAL COOPER THE DAY AFTER THE SHOOTING, COOPER SAID DEGAN NEVER FIRED ANY SHOTS, BUT HIS GUN HAD BEEN FIRED 7 TIMES AND THE 7 CASINGS WERE LAYING BY HIS BODY.
TOMORROW HE IS TO RETURN WITH AN AERIAL PHOTO THAT HE SPOKE ABOUT AND THE AUDIO TAPE OF HIS INTERVIEW WITH COOPER.
GERRY SPENCE HAD AN ENLARGED PICTURE OF "STRIKER" PASSED AROUND FROM ONE JUROR TO THE REST OF THEM, SO THAT THEY COULD GET A GOOD LOOK AT THE TRACK MARKS.
VERY INTERESTING...MORE TOMORROW, JERRY
* * *This has grown so lengthy that we had best leave it before starting off on another subject.
If we get in the updated FAX on Weaver today, add it immediately following this writing. Thank you.
Ceres to clear, please.
SAT, MAY 29. 1993[This "release" is not written in capital letter format which I believe (this) to be more suitable and less confusing to readers so we shall utilize the same copy style. Please realize that as we place a bulletin to disc we effort to reproduce as nearly to the original as we can offer. An "ALL CAPITAL" letter presentation is one of the specific methods of causing a reader to lose interest in the subject--as offered by attorneys and legislative writers. It is simply a good thing to remember, especially when reviewing legal "foreign language" (which all legal documents intentionally ARE). The intent is to cause YOU to THINK you can't serve self or understand anything presented in such a forum. Not so, but it works 99% of the time!]
DAY 29--RANDY WEAVER/KEVIN HARRIS TRIAL
(Boise, Idaho)... Duke Smith (#2 man of the Marshal Service) was recalled as witness, today. Everything today concerned August 21 and 22, 1992. The 2 days of the shootings.
He furnished the FBI with information that had been provided to him. He had no first hand knowledge of anything, including the mis-information that he had been given about the shooting at the "Y". He gave them the psychological profile that the Marshal Service had ordered done by someone who had never met any of the Weavers, but made the profiles from information given him/her by the Marshal Service. He/she knew so little about the people that the profiles were being made on, that he/she referred to Randy as Mr. Randell.
On the plane from Washington, D.C. with the FBI, they laid out their plan and initial "Rules of Engagement" which was: Any adult seen outside the Weaver house with a weapon would be subject to deadly force.
FBI team leader Dick Rogers allegedly stated, according to one of the documents referred to, "I therefore propose that the Rules of Engagement, any adult with a weapon outside the house would be and should be shot".
He stated that he had never discussed with anyone the Weaver's right to self defense after their son and dog had both been shot in the back.
He called Henry Hudson, (director of the Marshal Service) and received approval for the Rules of Engagement.
He and three FBI people took off in a chopper, circled, but did not go near the Weaver house on August 23, 1992 to familiarize themselves with the area.
It was alleged that since they could not tie Vicki in with the shooting at the "Y", they could not get a warrant for her so the Rules of Engagement were changed to: Any male adult outside the house with a weapon would be subject to deadly force. The orders were to not shoot into the house. Vicki was shot in the house by FBI sniper Lon Horluchi while she was holding her 10 month old baby in her arms.
On August 22, 1992 Smith estimated that he probably had about 70 marshals from the Special Operations Group on Ruby Ridge, and he didn't have any idea of how many other troops were there.
He testified that their rules called for them to have a "call out", where they would order everyone in the house to surrender (they were waiting for a couple of armored personnel carriers so they could get close enough to call out the people). After the "call out", any adult that didn't surrender would be subject to deadly force. Randy, Kevin, and Vicki were all shot before the "call out". Marshal Hunt reportedly told him that Kevin had killed Degan. He told the FBI that Vicki was as radical as Randy was, from hearsay.
When he first arrived at the command post below the shooting site about midnight, August 21/22, 1992 he testified that about 150 troops were already there before he arrived. He had not been told that the marshals had already fired at least 14 shots. His information did not include that the marshals had fired at all.
Even after being shown reports in the documents from his own
agency, he was pretty much afflicted with "selective recall".
Court will be recessed until Tuesday... Jerry.
